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well that is true... because if you hear the voice of God then people may think you as nuts.... then again it may be true that you hear the voice of God (which is called a personal revelation).

Thanks for all your inputs.

I was confused on some faiths that claim that God no longer speak in this time because he speaks to us through the Bible and that the Bible is already complete, it never changes and we should not add anything to it.

On the other side of the spectrum, there are people who claim to receive personal revelations, but again, we need to test the spirits and see if it is really the spirit of God talking to us.

Maybe I am just confused because I am facing currently a major decision at this point and I am  still seeking God's will on the matter. I have been asking for signs but maybe I am asking with the wrong intentions. I ultimately learned to consult with other holy men and women, friends and family before eventually making  a decision. My own consolation might be the fact that despite all the wrong decisions I made in the past, God will ultimately guide me to His chosen path.

besides, if you look at the argument that the bible is complete: why is it there are many protestant churches that don't agree with each other? if God's word is faithfully spread through the bible there must be unity. which we don't see. only one Church, one Lord, one Faith.

rhyzkho wrote:

Our faith, it is the question, a concern between God and you, God and me..
It is a personal relation with God that's only between the person and God. No questions asked. We shouldn't question anyone's relation or belief after all.

That is unbiblical.  When God speaks of the Church as His Body, He implies a congregation - not an individual.  As a body, all must agree.  The hands cannot do what they wants while leaving the body to fend for themselves.  That idea is too individualistic to be biblical or Catholic - yet, that is a very Protestantized idea of Christianity. It's me and my Lord - alone.

1 Corinthians 1:10-13
I urge you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree in what you say, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and in the same purpose. For it has been reported to me about you, my brothers, by Chloe's people, that there are rivalries among you. I mean that each of you is saying, "I belong to Paul," or "I belong to Apollos," or "I belong to Cephas," or "I belong to Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

Ephesians 4:11-16
And he gave some as apostles, others as prophets, others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers, to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of faith and knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the extent of the full stature of Christ, so that we may no longer be infants, tossed by waves and swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human trickery, from their cunning in the interests of deceitful scheming.   Rather, living the truth in love, we should grow in every way into him who is the head, Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, with the proper functioning of each part, brings about the body's growth and builds itself up in love.

Attaining the unity of faith and knowledge of the Son of God so that we can all grow to mature manhood - that is prayer of St. Paul. Do we all agree on our knowledge of the Son of God?  Was he conceived by a virgin who herself is conceived immaculately (i.e., born without the trace of original sin)? Hear Christ speaking in John 10:16

"I have other sheeps that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead, and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd."

These 'other sheeps' are already His.  Yet, they must be brought to become one flock.  This surely does not agree with the idea of 'me and my Lord alone'.  The Lord Jesus Christ also gave us a warning :

John 10:26
My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

Finally, we have an obligation to listen to the Church, the one Church Christ has founded (Matthew 18:18 "Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.").

Last edited by dacs (2010-02-10 17:42:17)

which brings us all to point number 2... who then can interpret the teachings in the bible?

I have often heard it implied in many posts that the Church is too legalistic - and 'legalistic' is used in a pejorative way.

Christ came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it.

It is those who does not regard the law as with any consequence who must fear of losing sight of Christ.  Some only follow what they personally regard as worth following.  They are then designing their own church, or getting comfortable in being cafeteria Catholic (i.e., Catholics whose beliefs is inexorably connected with their digestion and are are ordered from a cafeteria menu of Catholic distinctives).

I personally implore everyone to take time to know the Church.  Being Catholic is believing all the Church Magisterium teaches.  All Catholics must be "joined and held together by every supporting ligament, with the proper functioning of each part, brings about the body's growth and builds itself up in love" (Ephesians 4:16).  If some ligaments are severed (i.e., some Catholic beliefs not adhered to), then that part could not function properly and thereby not contribute worthily to the growth of the body - or worst, bring about disease in the system.

I understand you bro dacs. Nothing to worry. It is very informative. Salamat po.

yup.... if it doesn't sit well with me, i can start my own church. which brings us to point 3... who has the truth?

precisely, it is here that most protestants splinter, sometimes they would take one of the verses and they can have as many as a million reasons attached to it. with such amount of questions: who then holds the truth?

anino wrote:

What is the Catholic Church stance on hearing the voice of God today?

Remember that Jesus is the Word of God
Revelation 19:13 And he (Jesus) was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God

anino wrote:

Does God still speak today to his people, apart from the Bible?

Yes,
Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.